An exercise for Arsene supporters

The battle between those who still love Mr. Wenger and those who no longer do bats to-and-fro absurdly, and I admit to being a small part of it. When we lose 11 points out of 12 in the transfer window (while buying / borrowing NO additional full back) the growing Anti Arsenes are vocal. Then we trounce the 10 men of lowly Blackburn and the Pro Arsenes demand we apologise to the great man. Now we are humiliated by AC Milan who were far too good for us ... and  etc. Let’s hope we can scrape another win against Sunderland.

As results have broadly disappointed and as Le Professeur’s decisions have bemused so many the Antis have multiplied - based NOT ONLY on performance but on clear examples of team policy, tactics, transfers (ie. Hard Evidence).

The Pro Arsenes have surely shrunk to a hard core by now but their opinions seem based – NOT on Hard Evidence but – on blind loyalty which they demand we should all follow.  They seem to have little to say about team tactics and  selection, substitutions, transfers etc.

But let us examine some Evidence and we could play a sort of game. Below are set out claims from us Antis and the Pros can take the opportunity to argue back. Like no it was not a mistake because .... ?  And I don’t mean foul insults with nil logical footballing argument.  Come on, It could be great fun.

We the Antis say the incessant 4/3/3 formation, with 2 genuine wingers, is not always right because those 2 - while threatening in attack – often lose the ball and fail to contribute enough in midfield and defence so that our main midfield is too often outnumbered and indeed over run.  OK now the Pros should reply ... NO, the 4/3/3 is always right  because .... ?  ... Geddit ?

We the Antis say it is crazy to use the same formation in every game, with no variety, no changes according to opposition and circumstance. Other teams  do shrewdly use alternative formations. Meanwhile every opposition knows exactly how Arsenal will play and how they should prepare.  Now the Pros need to respond ... NO, we should never change the formation because .... ?

That’s it, well done, you are starting to get the hang of it. Here’s another one...

We the Antis say Arsene views some players completely out of line with most fans.  He has given (say) Djourou a new contract while we think he is a ball watcher and very error prone.  AW has wrongly kept on favouring Walcott, Arshavin, Denilson, Bendtner etc. The Pros disagree ... because .... ?

We the Antis  say Arsene has brought the Worst out of players converted (forced) to play within his inflexible formation in roles to which they are unsuited. Obviously Arshavin but also Eboue, Denilson, Bendtner, Vela (plus Wiltord and Reyes). A Manager like Redknapp adapts formation to find a role which brings the Best out of (say) Modric. The Pros disagree  ... because .... ?

We the Antis say several seasons ago we lost the winning balance between attack / defence ; technique / strength ; passing / shooting. Le Professeur has since then obstinately clung in error to his inflexible, attacking, technical, purist principles.   The Professeur Pros ...  reply .... ?

We the Antis say we were nearly bottom of EPL in August/ September when it was left till the last 2 days (after an 8-2 loss) to bring in replacement players who could not integrate over night.  I still don’t know how much of that was the Manager and how much the Directors (ie. Kroenke). But hey .. the Wenger Pros think last August was not mismanaged ... because .... ?

We the Antis say a defenders’ injury crisis was obvious in December and early January we should have bought / hired an experienced full back to tide us over. We did not and then took 1 point out of 12 (!). That had to be The Manager – not the Directors. The Pro Arsene fans say there was no mismanagement in January ... because .... ?

Now to change tack...  I would say Arsene, at Arsenal, has always been a top notch Director of Football – one of the best in the world.  Training techniques and facilities ; fitness and diet ;  scouting network and sheer knowledge of clubs and players. Overmars, Henry, Vieira, Kanu, Pires, Petit, Anelka, Fabregas. I believe he also handles the young players well and certainly with great loyalty (which they mainly do not return).

But he has never been a coach. Why ?  Because his team selections, substitutions, lack of tactical awareness ... all say so. I remember when he used to make extraordinary substitutions some years back (like Cygan as defensive left wing !) but we were good enough in those days not to notice. He has also  never been a coach because various ex players who won many international caps and played in lots of top Euro football say so. They are the first to agree he has done wonders for the club but he is ... no coach.

Arsene himself is quoted as claiming his greatest achievement was to keep us in the ECL for 3 or 4 years - via mainly young, inexperienced players - at a time when the stadium debt (and UK property market) meant there really was no money to spend.  I agree, that was a great achievement.

When it comes to winning trophies .. under Arsene we won plenty.  But they  were late 1990s and early 2000s since when the game has moved on. David Dein was right when he argued for a big, big money backer (and was kicked off the Board !)  Many of us claim that Arsene would never have won those earlier trophies if he had not inherited the old back 4/5 ... plus Keown, Campbell, Lehmann thereafter. We have since displayed no clue about defending.

To repeat, the game has moved on and ... very sadly, Arsene has been left behind. But perhaps the Pro Arsene camp can explain – with hard Evidence please – why that is not true ?   I am afraid ...  “ be blindly loyal “ is no argument. Nor is  “ eff of Fentiger.“  That would simply show a total lack of counter argument.

Chris. D. Fentiger

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Comments

[AFCThick'n'Thin]

Firstly I would like to say this either or mentally is boring now. It's not about blindly supporting Wenger no matter what. It's about looking at the bigger picture and not throwing your dummy out like a child when you don't get what you want.

Obviously the man has made mistakes (he is human you know) but the fact remains that the club as a WHOLE has the self sustainable ethos which means no other manager could do any better. No new manager would be given tons of money to spend and name any other manger that can do as well as Arsene has on the same budget.

Sure you might say there's money there to spend, but what happens when it gets spent on flops and we end up like chelsea or liverpool (in debt and not winning jack) or even worse, we win stuff but go into administration like rangers???

Secondly I would like to state that this site is a joke with all its fake transfer news and I won't be coming back and giving you hits.

[AFCThick'n'Thin]

Firstly I would like to say this either or mentally is boring now. It's not about blindly supporting Wenger no matter what. It's about looking at the bigger picture and not throwing your dummy out like a child when you don't get what you want.

Obviously the man has made mistakes (he is human you know) but the fact remains that the club as a WHOLE has the self sustainable ethos which means no other manager could do any better. No new manager would be given tons of money to spend and name any other manger that can do as well as Arsene has on the same budget.

Sure you might say there's money there to spend, but what happens when it gets spent on flops and we end up like chelsea or liverpool (in debt and not winning jack) or even worse, we win stuff but go into administration like rangers???

Secondly I would like to state that this site is a joke with all its fake transfer news and I won't be coming back and giving you hits.

[ken lo]

Like all anti Arsene blogs, the "facts" described by this writer need examining.
Firstly, the Invincibles back four were????
Secondly, when did the poll take place that showed the pro Wenger fans are now losing faith, while the anti wenger brigade have the moral high ground??? Missed that poll completely.
Thirdly, that lowly team we thrashed 7.1 beat Manu at Old Trafford on their previous away game.
Fourthly, we are currently fourth behind big spenders Chelsky and Liverpool.
As AFCThickandThin said, its not about blindly supporting our manager. IThere has, by all accounts only been one person who never made a mistake in his life.
So let me ask you the following questions:
1. If you sack the board, who will you replace them with? Four just men?
2. What if they refuse to go? Bring out the binbags?
Getting the idea? Its quite easy really..dont bring me problems, bring me solutions!!
3. Sack Arsene and replace him with who? Get ready for the ridiculous names to come out.
4. Sell the "deadwood"? To whom ?
5. Buy the big named stars? Who, how much, where is the money?
6. To get these players we have to scrap our salary cap? Where is that money coming from?
7. In January we had 8 first team players injured so we go out and buy eight more..Hmm that means transfer fees and salaries. But hold on, what happens when those injured players come back..Hmm dont know but we have just doubled our salary bill. Does that make sense?
8. Arsene is not a coach and is behind the times? Do you really think that Arsene would be out of work for long?
It is so easy to be negative and one can be as sarcastic as the nexxt guy.
The bottom line is this...every club goes through the good and bad times...supporting you club means just that,
It makes me laugh when I read that the true fans will have a protest at the next home games and binbags will be seen everwhere because they are right. I was at the game and not one bag was seen. Perhaps that is more scientific than an indivduals opinion Mr Fentiger.

[Stuart]

You start of trying to portray that you have a balanced view but then you are all one sided. Boring Boring and Boring. Had enough of your narrow mindedness and that of people like you. You will never understand the big wide world and how a boardroom makes decisions for their manager in order to fulfil their own wishes. Call me an AKB all you like but it is not I who is deluded, that will be you who can't see past the newspaper headlines and small minded banter of other uneducated fans alike.
The last 15 years is the best in my clubs history so I will enjoy the ups and downs, even if they are spaced far apart.