Liverpool A top four side Not

Liverpool a “top four club”…? Think again.

Good morning, afternoon or evening, wherever you are. Welcome to this week’s edition of The Green Room where we discuss all things Liverpool FC, the Premiership and all things football.

Again Liverpool slip up against (reputedly) lower opposition. Again, Liverpool fail to capitalise on early domination, and yet, again more points dropped by the Reds. Norwich came to Liverpool and gave a fantastic account of themselves - as they did against Manchester United and Chelsea. The only difference being, and the most important one, is that Norwich lost both of those games. It’s clear Liverpool are a team that despite all the hype, if you take your team there and play well without making too many mistakes, then you’ll probably get a result. Anfield is by no means the fortress that it should be.

The line up looked very promising. Glen Johnson coming in for Martin Kelly, and Craig Bellamy coming into the side to partner Luis Suarez up front. Quite rightly, no starting place for Andy Carroll. This is a game Liverpool should be winning and they certainly started out with a winning intention. Moving the ball around quickly and asking questions of the Norwich defence. Suarez coming close on a number of occasions as you’d expect. Then, suddenly after half an hour, that stopped. Liverpool started to give the ball away too cheaply and failed to use possession effectively when they got it back.

In all fairness, Liverpool scored against the run of play when Bellamy snatched the lead with the last kick of the first half.  Paul lambert clearly felt he had a more than decent chance of grabbing a result and promptly put big Grant Holt into the fray on 57 minutes, and sure enough three minutes later his substitution proved to be spot on. Beating the helpless Pepe Reina with a header to make it 1-1 and set up a stirring finale to the game.

Liverpool have only kept three clean sheets so far this season. Two of those occasions were against 10 men – Arsenal and Everton - and the other was the friendly against Rangers in the week! I wouldn’t call that the defensive form of a “top four side” as claimed by the usually very knowledgeable Jonathan Pearce on the BBC. This is not the form of a top four side. Unless of course this supposed “top four side” is banging in three or four goals each time which Liverpool most definitely aren’t. Chelsea have conceded nine as of Saturday but they’ve scored 20.

I’ll hand it to Dalglish he did make a clever substitution in replacing Dirk Kuyt with Daniel Agger so he could push Jose Enrique and Johnson forward. If only he’d seen fit to do it 10 minutes earlier, then this blog may well have taken a different tone. Instead we rue more points missed. There was further proof of what a massive waste of money Andy Carroll has been when he missed what must have been a golden chance to snatch the three points in the dying seconds of the game. His header missing the target by (less than) inches. You have to make the goalkeeper work in those circumstances, as Suarez did moments later only to be denied by a fantastic reaction save from John Ruddy.

So, where does this leave Liverpool? Four points behind an – dare I say it – impressive looking Newcastle side who seem to be able to grind out results given their performance against Wigan and still coming away with three points. Two points ahead of Tottenham who look to be improving all of the time after a dreadful start. It’s fair to say Liverpool will probably be hanging onto sixth spot after Tottenham play a Blackburn side who can’t win for toffee.

Last week I suggested Liverpool need a decent Striker to compliment Suarez, and a reliable anchor-man to protect the back four. We can add to that, a decent Center-half also. For me, Jamie Carragher is nearing the end of his career. As good as he’s been in the past, it’s not helping Liverpool too much in the present. Martin Skrtel? Well I have seen worse, but we could do better. Daniel Agger possess pace and a good ability to read the game but his injury prone-ness will always make him somewhat unreliable.

In Kenny Dalglish, the Liverpool faithful must trust and I believe he’s aware of the team’s shortcomings.  Those things in mind, t’s fair to say that  the “spine” of the Liverpool side is not quite what it should be. That’s to say they lack a player in each of the main areas of the pitch. This must be addressed before Liverpool can go any further. I’d disagree with Jonathan Pearce to that degree. Liverpool aren’t yet a “top-four” side. Top six perhaps but top four? Not yet.

Elsewhere in the Premiership, the Newcastle bandwagon continues to roll unabated. They remain unbeaten and Alan Pardew’s team are good value for their position. The two Manchester teams continue to maintain their form, and I’d expect a draw in the derby today if both teams turn up. Norwich and Stoke continue to punch above their respective weights but they still have time to slip up in January and February when the ground gets heavy and experience counts under pressure. We’ll see but a good result for Norwich yesterday and I think Stoke will be a good test for Arsene Wenger’s slowly improving Gunners.

Neil Warnock’s QPR side will do well to get a point against the pomp of Chelsea, and Tottenham should prove too strong for Blackburn and usurp the place from the team currently above them.

A final note on the Patrice Evra Luis Suarez handbags. For me no big deal here and I think the FA should tell Evra to wake up. Not because I’m a Liverpool fan, it’s just that I’m sure in the last ten years or so that Evra’s been playing top-flight footy, he’s bound to have been called something provocative from time to time. Not that I condone this. In the theatre of football with high stakes and plenty pressure, this will happen I’m afraid. More out of gamesmanship and wanting to put someone off their game as opposed to some outright racist intent. That’s the real point here.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but I’ve not heard Evra mention this before. It’s unsavory and I’m not sure what the full extent of it is but I don’t think it’s worth all the bother. He should think himself lucky he’s not had to throw bananas back into the crowd!

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Comments

[Varun]

The problem with Liverpool at the moment is that they are dominating their opponents but are not finishing the game.. This is due to the lack of a Torres type player in the team. Lets be honest Suarez is a great player but he's accuracy in front of goal is somewhat low. And with Carroll still finding his feet in the team another hitman should be taking the responsibilty of banging the opportunities. I think Kenny will remedy to this situation in January. Had Torres not been sold, all this lost chances would have been buried in. Two key areas that needs change is the central defensive pair and a hitman "a la hernandez". to finish those chances. Because god we're creating chances but we're not converting them.

[josh]

It's not doing us any good playing Carragher and Skrtel in central defence ether as Carragher is to slow and past it and Martin is to inconsistent, we need to sign Gary Cahill in Jan and a striker.

[barry mc]

we got beat 1-0 at rangers

[Kruse]

How you can claim that Liverpool is not a top 4 side based on the match against Norwich is beyond me.

I Liverpool consistenly failed to create chances, or failed to dominate the game I could migt agree, but that is not the case.

I agree, that Liverpool need to stregten their back 4, but to claim they are no at top 4 side is nonsens.

By the way, nice expectation on the Manchester derby

[artigas cruz]

suarez is carrying this team is just to much of a load for one man what i don't understand is liverpool has had most of their game on front of the other clubs end and yet i don't see carrol or coatez playing a full game these are two huge men that on corner kicks and set plays would come in perfectly, love to see bellamy play and am disappointed with steve a bit to flashy for me he should get dirty a bit...and as for the refs not calling for suarez he should just get on with his game and forget the refs this is not our native land of Uruguay that refs are more toward the stars just to keep them with their teams.

[j77]

suarez is not a out and out striker,hes a second striker who creates and scores,but he needs to be playing alongside a main target man,which is why we spent 35m on carrol,who needs to be given a run in the side,leaving him on the bench and giving him 10 mins here and there is just pointless,the only way suarez and carrol will form a partnership is game time,not on the training ground,also we basically have a complete new midfield and strikeforce so give it time to work instead of continually jumping on the backs of all the players and manager,or would you all rather be were we were last year at this time,,,,think about it before u condemn everything we do.